Today, I have a special treat for you and I am so excited for you to hear from today's guests. Today, I am chatting with Kristie Reddick and Jessica Honaker, who are also known as the Bug Chicks. If you haven't heard of these wonderful, amazing women in STEM, then head on over to my kid podcast, The STEM Career Quest, and they are in episode two of season one, where they tell kids all about being entomologists, their journey into their career, and all the amazing cool things that they get to do when exploring with bugs.
But they don't just play with bugs all day. You are going to be hearing from Jessica and Chrissy, where they explain how bugs and insects are a teaching tool, but it is so much more than that. We can literally talk for hours.
We always talk a lot before we hit record and after we hit record. They are just so much fun. I told them if they are nearby where I live in Colorado, I would love to go see them in person.
But they are doing so many amazing things in the science education space, where they are influencing those positive mindsets and experiences for both students and for teachers. There are so many amazing takeaways in this episode. Their philosophy and education and what science can be definitely aligns with what I believe in as an educator.
I am so excited for you to hear it from them, the bug chicks, Chrissy and Jessica. You are definitely going to love this episode.
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Naomi Meredith: Well, thank you so much for coming back onto the elementary stem coach podcast this time I had both of you as guests on my stem career, quest, podcast and you are our inaugural episode. So that is really, really fun episode, episode, 2, episode, one is about the podcast but if you guys haven't listened to it, it's really really fun episode. But today we're actually talking to you
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Naomi Meredith: teachers on the other side of things. So if you both wouldn't mind introducing yourselves in a briefly what you are all about.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Yeah, for sure. My name is Christy Redick. I am one of the bug chicks. Jessica and I are entomologists. We got our master's degrees in entomology from Texas, A and M. University. And we started working together in grad school and we we knew that science, education and using our
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: using our. How do I say this, using our friendship, like our friendship, got really really strong and solid when we were in grad school? Because I brought Jessica with me to Kenya for part of my research, and we like filmed, and we like lived in a tent for 6 months. It was a big. It was a big deal. And we became besties.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And we thought, Let's work together. And let's teach and make videos and inspire kids to get into science, and also inspire people to feel capable.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: I think, feeling capable in learning and feeling capable, especially in the sciences, is super important and and we use bugs to do that. So we use bugs to help people get over their fears and to help people feel capable.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: And my name is Jessica Honaker. I'm the other bug chick and, like Christy mentioned, we met in grad school. And we do both have research backgrounds, and and I. And I do wanna add, I think, that I think that one of the ways that we're really able to connect with teachers and with students about bugs is that Christy used to be super afraid of spiders. I used to be kind of like apathetic toward them.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: And we both kind of came to this realization that, you know, like arthropods and insects and spiders, and like, they're all super important. And everybody feels really strongly about them one way or the other. And so it's a really good connection point for us. In teaching being able to like, bring the science and the emotion in
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: to to our work.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Yeah, we work at the cross section of stem and social emotional learning. So there's so much emotion when you're trying to feel capable when you are feeling afraid of the subject, when you are feeling afraid of bugs or afraid of your own potential. And so it all blends together really, really, beautifully. And it's and because we're so enthusiastic about bugs it, we sort of sort of talk about it like we're erosion. You know, we just
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: we're just gonna wear you down. And then, underneath all of our sort of fortresses that we build up, I think there's some real wonder and some joy for the natural world, and bugs can really bring that out of people.
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Naomi Meredith: Absolutely, and I know not every single subject in science classes are all insects, but there are
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Naomi Meredith: units. KI know, and I know off the top of my head. K, through 5. Everybody has some sort of environmental science or learning about life cycles or those types of things. So there are definitely connections when it comes to bugs. And you talked about this just a little bit. But why do you think learning about entomology is important for kids, and I know you're so passionate about it. But why do you think so? Because you do teach kids in schools in person. So what have you seen and noticed.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Well, you cannot move through this world as a human being without interacting with arthropods. This is the great thing about them, like there is not one human on the planet who has not had an interaction with an arthropod. And so it's 1 of those things, kind of like food or music that brings us together as humans, even though, like at that point, I don't even care if people are afraid, or if they're interested, it is a connection point. The other thing is that
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: arthropods. And let's just say insects, for right now they really do
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: create and drive the world forward.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: They. They create the healthy soils that grow our food, they pollinate, they decompose. They are, you know, even the predator systems are so vitally important, and they provide a food source for all of these other animals that people so easily profess that they love. And so I just think that insects are vitally important to not just
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: the ecosystems that we walk around in, but also they have shaped human culture and human design and human inspiration. Since the since the dawn of human civilization. So I just think we don't recognize them. But they are ever present and very, very important.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Yeah, they do. They do thankless work for us so that we can. We can exist on this planet. And there's a really great quote, that goes something along the lines of if humans were to disappear, the earth would flourish. But if Arthur but if insects were to disappear like we would be toast. That's.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: I don't think toasts are in for that quote.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: I know that EO. Wilson said toast.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: But that's the, you know.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: The gist.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: General gist.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Really, like.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Super dark this early in the day, but, like, you know.
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Naomi Meredith: Makes makes you think, yeah, the big.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: They're very, very important. Yeah, they're very, very important.
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Naomi Meredith: So you mentioned if kids are scared like you're like, it's fine, you can get over it. And you've even seen this with kids. I remember. One of the stories you told on the stem career quest podcast is when you had, like older upper elementary, you had the tarantula. Oh, what was her name? Was it Beyonce?
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Fiance. Her name's.
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Naomi Meredith: Beyonce who jumped. But I won't.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Him, and.
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Naomi Meredith: I.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Was cooking months.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: So.
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Naomi Meredith: Oh, cookie monster! The blue one.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: The blue one.
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Naomi Meredith: Angela, and then she jumped and but the kids were really brave, and everything so.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Yeah.
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Naomi Meredith: Like. That's just one experience. But what are some ways that you all get kids excited about bugs in science like? What does it look like when you're with kids or when you're with it might be different when when you're with the school group and when you're presenting, what does that look like when you're in those spaces?
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: I think, 1st and foremost, when you're you know, when we come in and we have our arthropod zoo with us, they are all behind us in cages which is important. This is something that like to us. It's like fairly obvious that they're in cages. But
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: when you're confronted with something that might be scary. All sorts of scenarios play through your mind. And so we get lots of questions like, Are they just roaming around like, where are they? What's happening?
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Yeah.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: So one of the things that we love to do is we'd love to set up the space for success. We put them behind us, and we cover them with a tablecloth, because basically, we need to set up some ground rules and some safety and some listening
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: and we don't need distraction of things behind us. That's just sort of like a teaching classroom culture kind of thing. And the 1st thing that we do is we ask questions about how do you feel about bugs? And we do not censor. We do like. If you don't like them. I want to hear it. Use your words I want to use the I want to hear the words that you use. If it's creepy, if it's gross, if it's this, if it's that, say it give it to us. You're not going to hurt our feelings.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: and that's powerful because people want to be
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: heard and how they feel about things, because and.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Respected.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Exactly. Yeah, like, we're not. We're not here to turn people into entomologists. What we do is we use bugs to ignite
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: that passion for learning.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And and
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: a and like. I don't know if I don't know if you've experienced this in a classroom. I think we all have as teachers or educators
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: sometimes students or students or audience members can just be sort of like a little dull and zombified. And my goal is, I want everyone to know what it feels like to feel capable number One and number 2 awake, alive and alert. So if I can get students to feel awake, alive and alert about something, and if we got live bugs they're awake, alive and alert. They don't know what's gonna happen.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: So that's 1 thing, and then the next thing is proper boundaries, and making sure that they know that we are not here to scare them, we are not here to do jump scares. We're not this. We're not these people on the Internet who grab animals and force them to sting us. We're not into that at all. That's the opposite of how we do.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Hmm.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Teach about wonder. We teach about curiosity. We teach about observation. We're not going to force you to touch anything. We're not gonna force you to pet anything, hold anything. We are going to ask that you look. And we do a lot of
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: word switching for students.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: So
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: So if they say creepy, we go great
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: for the next hour. Can you try to shift the word creepy to interesting?
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Can you shift the word Ew. To cool? Just put a K and an L on the end of that fine. And because our words really do inform how we feel about things
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: and and those are some. Those are some of the techniques that we utilize right off the bat.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Yeah. And
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: you know, as we as we go through our program, you know, there can be like, you know, we'll bring out. We'll bring out like one of our Beatles.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: and people will be like, you know, because because they're they don't know quite what to expect. Once the beetle is then out right. And so, being able to talk about like, you know, this is why, you know, it's moving like this. This is why it looks like this. Here's why it has this behavior. Like one of our death feigning beetles. If you mess with it, it'll lay on its back with its legs up in the air. And it plays dead. And we're like, here's why it does that.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: And then, once it feels comfortable it'll roll back over, you know, and walk around, and
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: and if they don't know that, that's why they roll over, they they can be kind of like startled by that sudden swap to where they're then up and mobile on their hands, and and so just by it, like
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: we don't dumb down the science.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: and so explaining the behaviors explaining the morphology helps. Students know what to expect. And, like, Christy was saying, you know, we build, we build that kind of structure, and we add the science into that structure, and students, no matter how old they are, really thrive with that, because they kind of know what to expect. And you build trust as you move along. Yeah.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Building trust is huge, and also allowing yourself to be vulnerable as an educator is huge.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: I will share that. I used to be afraid of spiders
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: when I was young, I mean like like cry for my dad.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: tears hot tears in my ear, holes laying frozen, you know, and it and there, there's a camaraderie there, there's an under.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Understand.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: That it's not just like I woke up as a kid and was like yay bugs. I was pretty anti bugs, and
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: that by learning about them. I changed fear to fascination. That's something we've been saying for years and years and years. And so
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: we model that strategy of
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: it's okay to be afraid, and you can't be brave without being afraid. And
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: we're here with you the whole time. It's not like we're gonna
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: pop a cockroach in your hands and go get a latte, though that sounds wonderful.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: and also we keep it light like.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: One of my favorite things to do in a workshop, because we teach so many of these workshops is my goal is to make Jessica laugh in a workshop.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: If I if Jessica's laughing in a workshop, we're having a great time.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: because
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: it means that all of us together are in a really joyful experience.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: and.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Sorry you're like. Also, she's really funny. And so sometimes it's really hard.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Well, the kids are funny. I mean the you know this as an you know this as a teacher, like sometimes kids will say things that Jessica and I have to.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: We have to just.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: To stop. You have to.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And you can. I can feel myself like
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: camping it down like, especially if it's like slightly inappropriate. You gotta. And I'll like, take it, and I'll like I'll I'll hide it right back here, and the minute we get into the parking lot with the doors closed we're like, Oh, no!
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And it's joyful. And I think
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: you know what this reminds me of, too, Jess, is that
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: kids are people. Kids are human beings.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: This is my.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Sometimes
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: if you don't work with kids a lot, especially if you don't work with like large groups of kids, if you only maybe have your own kids, or or you're only used to. You know your nieces or nephews, or whatever.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: It can be.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: You can forget that they're human beings.
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Naomi Meredith: Hmm.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And you can tell when people don't
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: like you, and kids can tell when you don't want to be there or when you're not into it. And I think because Jessica, like kids, can tell
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: that we love teaching. Now.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And the way and what Jessica said about not dumbing it down. I'm really explicit with the way that I speak with with children, and by explicit, I mean, clear right? Yes.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: I mean.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: I'll say things like, can you tell that we like teaching you? Great? We're not gonna do anything that's gonna hurt you also, this is our job. Would we get hired again if word got out that we did, and like, you know.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: You say the word liability.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And I say, can you say the word liability?
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Naomi Meredith: Adults. They're adults.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Laugh. And it's like, and it's like really funny. And
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: but the but they can tell that we genuinely enjoy our work and our time with them, even if they're being chaos and rowdy.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: I love chaos and rare.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: and especially if the chaos and rowdy is about the thing you're bringing out. If you bring out an animal, and they're like Whoa!
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Have Jack.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And I were teaching Jess and I were teaching in Philly.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Was it Philly Jess, or was it New York City?
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: We were in the Bronx. I think.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: In the Bronx just over teaching in the Bronx. It's 1 of our favorite teaching experiences we've ever had hundreds of kids in a dark gymnasium.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: They'll.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Patrick.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Very sorry.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Very impacted in Pre covid times.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: week over time. Hundreds of kids in a squeak, you know, like sneakers on squeaky gymnasium floors like like a like a like a chaos.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: So dark.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: It was so dark I don't know what's happening. So we it was like winter. It was like dark.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And so we're showing slides, and we're showing pictures. And we're doing classification of arthropods. And we're talking about the difference between centipedes and millipedes. And we put up a picture of a centipede
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: and the whole place exploded. These kids have never seen this centipede.
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Naomi Meredith: Yeah.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Seen a desert, sunny.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: What like you could feel the floor vibrating.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Like the projector screen was doing. Things were bouncing. It was this explosion. You know what
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: To that they were in it. They were awake, alive and alert, and the teachers who were there were very upset about them being
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: I'll I'll let people like I'll let the chaos to me. It's like the one of those toys. I don't know if you know those toys that extend. It's a big ball sphere, and it like extends out. And then it comes back together. It's like this like puzzle piece circle to me. That is the energy in a room, and I think it's because I have a degree in theater like my 1st degrees in theater. And so to me.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: My job is to be the conductor is to orchestrate the energy in a room, and and if I'm doing my job right, I let it go to a crescendo, and then I can bring it back. And then we focus. And Jessica and I are quite good at that, and I think
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: That can be sometimes uncomfortable for principals and teachers who are joining us in our work.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: If you just let us. I almost said, Let us cook like I'm a Gen. Z. I'm not. I don't know what's happening to me right now.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Yeah. And that's some of the stuff that helps us build that rapport right? That allows us to make the connections with the students. Because we've taught students like, we taught some students 10 years ago that still email us.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: You know, and they still, like, you know, pop onto our Facebook page, or whatever, and make comments. And you know.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Hey? You came to my class, you know. Hey? Do you remember? We just went to a Girl Scout Camp in Portland. We used to live in in the West Coast.
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Naomi Meredith: Oh, it's just in Portland. It's beautiful!
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: It's lovely! It's lovely we were. We lived there for like 10 years and
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: and we would teach all these Girl Scout Camps or Girl Scout troops, and there was a girl at this Girl Scout Camp. We were doing a leadership summit for the older girls, 123 older girls outside midsummer 90 degrees
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Sure they.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: they they and I used to be so afraid of bugs. And today I helped the brownies hold the bugs. And so it's like, it's that kind of stuff that.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And teachers understand what we're talking about because you teach a student and they they come. You were my favorite teacher, you, you know.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: our job is to have that much of an impact in such a short time. That's our job. And it. And the impact needs to be positive.
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Naomi Meredith: And you're definitely role models than a couple of ways which like definitely to the kids like you're modeling like you're using insects as an avenue. But you're really modeling like how science
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Naomi Meredith: can be exciting. And this is what we do. This is a possibility. And especially being women in stem. That's such an exciting thing for kids to see. All kids to see that like, there's different possibilities. But also for the teachers. And this kind of goes into the next thing where you're saying, hey, we want you awake alive, alert, like. That's something
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Naomi Meredith: really great for teachers to see that science can be something else. I really connect with, like the way that you're teaching, because I would co-teach in classrooms a lot were science based.
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Naomi Meredith: And it I would call like controlled chaos, like, I know exactly what's going on. It's everything's fine like, and I'm not just saying that sarcastically. Everything's the kids are into it. But it was way louder than what the teachers would expect. And the classroom teacher thought.
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Naomi Meredith: This is wrong. This is not how science should be. I'm like, Oh, no, like we're we were doing rocks and minerals. I remember one, and they were going through all the tests like to see what their rocker mineral was, and so they had to make the observations and the color test the scratch test. And it was loud. The kids are excited. They're talking about. And the teacher didn't know
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Naomi Meredith: like how to handle that. And I think that's really great. What you're doing is that teachers can see this is another way science can be and I know, too, when we were talking before we hit record. What you have seen. With teacher trainings and what science like teacher training is, I know, for me. I didn't get a lot of training in my program with even with my
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Naomi Meredith: masters, but with how to teach science in an engaging way. Could you just talk? Could you guys talk more about that like what you've seen with teacher trainings like
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Jess. You want to take it.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Yeah, and and I think, too, that this that this goes beyond how teachers are trained. I think this is sort of
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: and you learn the facts and the facts don't change. And you just add more facts, and you add more facts. But
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: sta like it's it's static. Wait, then it's dynamic. There we go, and it like, you know, it changes, and it and it and it evolves. And you know it's a it's a process. It's it's not just one thing that just
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: stays there. And so you know, I think that students and teachers alike are taught that
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: when you learn science you memorize the facts, and you do everything by like rote process like
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: When science is really curiosity, science is asking questions about things that you see and things that you wonder about, and you know, and it doesn't always go in a linear direction.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Yeah, I'm thinking about those labs. Jess, like.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: When you do a lab sometimes. Yeah, sometimes it's like, Well, did you do it right to get to this? To this foregone conclusion?
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: and we actually have tools that help teachers with this, like, we made a little flow chart about how to classify arthropods, and we took all the leg numbers out of it.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: they'll go. Oh, it's a dragonfly! You go. Well, how do you know that it's a dragonfly, and you go? Well.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: someone told me once that that shape of thing is a dragonfly, and it's got 6 legs, and I know that 6 legs is an insect. Great! Is there any other way of knowing this like. Is there any other way of looking at this? And so we take away the leg counts, and we take away all preconceived notions, and you and it forces you to answer this sort of rubric of questions, and
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: and it is just sort of resetting our brains to sit quietly and look and wonder, and, as you observe, you have curiosity, and you go. I wonder why that is? And then that is inquiry, and from inquiry go well, how would I test.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: That is that testable. And you have to drill down to an actually testable question. And it's easier than you think. It doesn't all have to be fancy contraptions and a lot of tools and a lot of things.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: what you know, yeah. And that's coming from observing things. They're natural scientists. They're naturally curious. And if we can.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: if we can glom on to that. And if we can capitalize on that, then we're doing science.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: people are not devoid of emotion, and people do the science, and so.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: People, created science.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Yeah. And so you know what we were talking about early about teachers, maybe feeling uncomfortable when students are getting like super excited and super loud and super into their projects like like, Keep keep that there. You want students to be really excited about the work that they're doing, because that is how they stay
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: in those programs. That is how they stay in that work is that they love it. They enjoy it. They're excited about it. And so, being able to allow for some of that emotion
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: and for it to be okay and acceptable. To have that emotion is super important.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Being able to say, I don't know.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Let's find out. I don't know. How would we find out about this? Turn it around, turn it into a challenge. And I understand also for any teachers out there who are like.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: I have curriculum to get through. I've got markers to hit. I've got start testing. I've got all the things like all the things that are happening for you absolutely.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: If you have these standards like, I'll just say Ngss standards for this right now, because they're they're pretty across the board, depending on where you are.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Those Ngss standards are.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: But honestly, if you kind of step back and definitely, if you use some of the cross cutting concepts, they really do open up lots of.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And creativity for you. Yeah. And I really think beyond the life cycles and ecology and animal stuff
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: bugs fit into so many of them physics.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: and I know that they're engaging for students. And so
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: if that's your hook like, if you're like. Oh, I think I could get into bugs and use them in my classroom.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: They can be a great hook for almost any subject.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: and that, and and just a callback to what we were talking about earlier, about feeling capable.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: You know, one of the things that that is a tenant in our, in our business and in our work is
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And now you've watched other people hold things, and you've gotten to the point where you pet it. And then it almost always happens where a student will come up and go.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Okay, I think I'm ready. Can I hold it and go? Yeah, yeah. And you hold it. 15 min ago you didn't want to do this, and now you're doing it. This is what feeling capable feels like. This is what I mean about being explicit, especially about the social, emotional learning. What you are experiencing right now
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: is you feel capable. I want you to remember what this feels like, because I want you to feel that about reading. I want you to feel that about math.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Does math and science go hand in hand? I want you to feel it about public speaking, about meeting new people like all the things that people get kind of bound up about
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: being able to identify that that feeling of feeling capable is super important.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And when we can tie it to learning, and we can tie it to a classroom culture.
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Naomi Meredith: I love that. I know everybody is so like. Oh, I need you in my classroom. Please come. They're like.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: We do.
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Naomi Meredith: So for this, like, there's so many amazing takeaways. Like, I was writing down notes like, there are a million things. So I, just you guys go back and even listen to this again, because there's so many things that you can implement into your own space. And then you can also have the bug ticks
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Naomi Meredith: come to you. But like see them in action. But again, just having them as the role model and just seeing a different way to approach science. Maybe it's been a little bit stagnant for you. When I teach some I use science as my base. So when you said Ngss. I agree with how they O, open up projects. I made on my whole curriculum K through 5
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Naomi Meredith: using the Ngss because there are so many different possibilities. And just, they're actually a really good way to kind of guide
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Naomi Meredith: what you can do like as a base. But it does open up like ways to look at the world. I really don't think they box you into too too much. You just have to
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Naomi Meredith: approach it in a different avenue.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Puzzle piece. Take a little of this, take a little.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Glomi together.
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Naomi Meredith: Yes, but if teachers like, I want more bug checks, I need them in my school. What kind of programs do you guys offer, and where can they find you.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Hmm, so they can find us at our website. The bugchicks.com.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Or on social media, you can.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: DM, us, on social media. We're at the bug chicks just about everywhere.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Put in a Google search, and you'll find us.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Yup and so for schools, one of the things we're doing a lot of is right now. We're based in Cincinnati, Ohio. So we're we're within driving distance of a lot of places.
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Naomi Meredith: Yeah, you are.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: How central we are. Districts will ask us to come, and we'll come. Do full assembly programs for schools. And we have microscopes and live animals. And it's very interactive. And and it's incredible. And so much fun.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: K. Through 12 options for that.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Yeah, we have a couple of different programs. So we can do career connections for older students. We can do
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: we can. We can do like straight biology of bugs. And we can also do. We have a really beautiful one for K. 5, called Songs of Science.
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Naomi Meredith: Huh!
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And it's about how insects communicate with each other, and we recreate a forest at night, using noisemakers with students, and of Katie dids calling to each other and chirps, and it's so awesome. But we also put the animals underneath the microscope, and you could see how they make the noise.
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Naomi Meredith: Oh!
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: It's so cool it's so cool.
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Naomi Meredith: Oh!
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: So we have those. And then we also come in for smaller programs where it's like, maybe just your classroom. And that's where we hold and pat and touch and do a lot more of the sort of interactive.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: With.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: The individual students. But we can also build a program that works for you. So we're going out to Seattle to teach a program we are going to long the Hamptons, like the east of Long Island to teach a full week.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Where else are we going? We might be going to Alaska to teach a full week.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Oh, wow! No!
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: These are things, are.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: It's in the air.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: And and so
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: so yes, we are available. And this is something that we do all the time. And it's a joy for us, and it's also our life and our living. And we love to do it. So yeah.
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Naomi Meredith: Well, my friend, just accepted a science position. I was just Googled. How far in Missouri from Ohio? Only 8 and a half hours. So I'm gonna tell her.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Yeah.
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Naomi Meredith: She works at a nature school now, which is so cool. So I'm gonna make.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: You're listening to this episode.
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Naomi Meredith: And.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Yeah, we usually combine it with.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: you know, if you combine it with a couple of schools, or you combine it with the district, it makes it makes the whole thing more cost effective. And we can stay and teach. We love to teach at a whole district. And then that way. Everyone, you know, an older sibling and a younger sibling has an experience. It's a really, it's a really cool thing.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Yeah. And oftentimes we do community programs when we do those weeks.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Because not everybody goes to the school. So you know, we'll do library programs or nature.
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Naomi Meredith: Center.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Programs. Or, you know, things like that, so that we can then, sort of like, you know, reach a broader audience. So.
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Naomi Meredith: Oh, I love that you girls are killing it. I love this so much, and thank you so much for sharing your expertise and your perspective, and just you can tell and I can tell on the other show, too. But you can tell like how passionate you are. You say that. But but really the core of it, and what you're doing, it's not
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Naomi Meredith: how we teach about bugs like. There's so much more behind what you're doing which I think is really important for teachers to hear. Not every program is like that at all. And definitely what you're doing
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Naomi Meredith: totally aligns with how I think about science and stem. And I need to come see you when you're presenting, because this just sounds so amazing. So when you're near Colorado, let me know.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: Got it.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Yeah, I mean, we actually might have something in the works. We people in Colorado are always like.
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Naomi Meredith: Oh, yeah. Colorado.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Schools in Colorado that are interested. Yeah.
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Naomi Meredith: Oh, good, yeah. Well, thank you so much for your time. And I know teachers are me so excited to check out your programs and even get more bug chicks in with their kids. So thank you so much again.
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Kristie Reddick – The Bug Chicks: Thank you for the update.
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Jessica Honaker – The Bug Chicks: For having us.
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Naomi Meredith: Thank you.